Why is it important to buy from a local designer instead of a mass marketer? How does this choice impact the world?
For me, personally, I would speak about myself as a customer. I’m working with energetic art pieces, and I feel the energy of the products when I go into the shop.
I haven’t bought mass-market items since 1995. I can’t buy them because I feel what’s inside the piece. I think people will switch to conscious shopping when 4D consciousness comes into the world because of this sensibility. In a new world, in a new state of consciousness, we will be able to feel not just the ingredients of fabrics, but the ingredients of the product itself—the person who created it, the person who produced it, the logistics, the company that brought it to you. Everything is included in that ingredient.
The future is about clean ingredients and very good quality. So it’s a question of consciousness. If it’s truly valuable for you, not because of something, but just because you feel it. It’s like when you feel it on your plate—it’s good food, or when it doesn’t smell good—it’s the same.
Of course, I always choose local brands. Or, I can go to another country to buy something and have the customer experience in an offline shop. I think the future of retail is going to be a little museum in every concept store, a mix of a contemporary museum, a church, and a cinema. It’s an entertainment place, an experience—the coffee you drink there, the smell. Offline shopping will be the next level, but not mass-market shopping.
You want to eat this, or you don’t want to eat this. For me, the choice is clear. But to feel it, you need a new vision of the world, of yourself, and the new customer experience.
What challenges do you face as an independent designer in Paris? What are the main difficulties in your business and artistic journey? What do you feel you lack, and what could help you—whether it's the state, institutions, or platforms like Localloo?
I think it would be very useful to have more platforms connecting young, visionary artists. Creating innovation or a new vision takes time—it’s not possible to do it quickly and sell right away. Of course, investment is crucial. I’ve tried connecting with investors, particularly venture capitalists who invest in brands, but it’s been challenging.
What would you ask your customers?
I would ask them, “Are you ready for transformation? Are you ready to embrace a new version of yourself?” I don’t know if I’d get an honest answer, but I think it’s important to be ready for a new experience. Transformation is a personal journey, and it’s crucial to be prepared for it.
Do you think the people who buy your clothes are ready for that kind of transformation?
It’s interesting. Some people, when they see something new, they want to feel it, they ask me even to do sketches, but then they hesitate. It’s not about the price or the design – it’s about the unknown. They step back because it’s scary to go down an unfamiliar path. It’s much easier to buy something safe, like a Valentino dress. But if you want extraordinary results, you have to take that step into the unknown.
Innovation, for me, is a space for experimentation and creation. People say they want innovation, but then they ask you to do things in a very specific way—sell it like this, present it like that. It’s not possible to do this in true innovation because innovation is about experimenting, creating something new. In our 4Diverse ecosystem, we’re building a model with my brand and my partner's brand, and we want to expand this ecosystem with more brands. One of the biggest challenges is finding spaces to work in Paris, which is so expensive. It’s a problem I’ve been facing every day for five years. Without a stable income or a permanent space, it’s extremely difficult. But we’re working on it by connecting with visionary people and creating platforms for collaboration.
I believe in connection. Our power lies in community. We’re already seeing the trends—we’re building the future now. Our main inspiration is love, and the idea of creating a community where there is no competition, only empowerment: “I am all, and all is love.”. That’s the future I see—empowering each other through our unique codes. It’s not about competition but about collaboration. Me and Maria are working to create this, and I truly believe it’s the way forward.
We buy the experience first. We buy the energy of the piece, the code of the brand. The change happens at the level of consciousness, because it’s where we make our choices. Choices are based on our vision of the world, of ourselves, and our priorities.
If the priority is to have a new dress for tonight, to not spend too much money and get it fast, I go to Zara, buy something for 50 euros, and I’m a superstar that evening. This is one level of consciousness. It’s not bad, it’s not good, it just is.
Another level is having a small, functional wardrobe. I have a small wardrobe, and I admire people like this because they have their style, and they don’t need to be someone else. You build your beautiful, small wardrobe, and it’s you. You don’t care about wearing the same dress at every event. It’s unique, and that’s how you are.
It’s a beautiful feeling. It’s not just about consuming—you buy, you show. It’s like being a collector, a collectionist. It’s your art set, your suitcase with gold jewelry.
The most stylish people on earth are the ones with the same style almost all the time. Check Lenny Kravitz. They have this style inside their blood, inside their DNA. That’s the most valuable thing. In this state of mind, when you present yourself with a beautiful customer experience, you don’t go to DuLine or Zara. You go to an art couture house or a concept store. You connect with the piece, invest in it, and you can resell it after.